LISTERINE - Have you tried it?

[Angela]

Listerine Comments

Angela

[Angela]

To make my mouth smell good - YES!!

To treat a herpes outbreak - HELL NO!!

Angela

[lilone]

I have no tried listerine, but I have tried ACT restoring mouthwash. It has not even been a full 24hrs yet and the lesion is now barely visible. It has long lasting relief I put it on for the first time around 8pm last night and a second time at 845 this morning. I suppose then it provides 12-hour relief. The pain was also significantly less after I got up this morning.
I know one of you said you thought it was a scam...it's not. If anything is a scam it would be the conventional drugs you get from the pharmaceutical companies. HSV-2, if you didn't know, is a mutating virus and just like all antibiotics.... the virus gets immune to it and either the doctor will prescribe a higher dose or switch you to something stronger. I have looked all over the web for natural remedies and I have also tried conventional medicine and here are my results. The first medicine they prescribed me, Zoveran, was a cream and I had to apply it several times a day and by the end of the tube it seemed to be going away, but it was not completely healed. Then I was prescribed a pill, Acyclovir. I have been taking Acyclovir since August a month after I first discovered I had HSV-2, and the first lesion I had that was originally treated with Zoveran has since not gone away. I have only seen it truly begin to disappear and felt such lasting relief from ACT restoring mouthwash. Now, as for natural medicines and nutrition. I have tried licorice pills, Lysine pills ( I don't have the bottle with me right now but it has more than just lysine, its for your immune system), Astralagus root pills, Vitamin - B supplements (to keep stress levels down), tea tree oil, oil of Oregano p-73, and ginger tea) I have been eating greens and vegetable juices, etc. Well, I'm sure you get my point. tea tree oil - great numbs everything, but lasts only about a half hour to an hour. I'm still taking all the pills, so that research is still in progress. I have noticed that I hurt less when I eat greens and basically everything my bunny can eat I can eat and everything he can't eat I can't eat LOL strange reality I know! But if you look up their diet ..that's the diet recommended for HSV-2 with a few more choices of course. Oil of oregano- supposedly you get more outbreaks before it works, i am currently experimenting with this...just started it a few days ago....I have noticed that my pain increased. Supposedly, it killed HSV-2 in a petri dish and so I am trying to see if it will kill the virus for me. I have also read that consumer certain spices everyday like ginger/tumeric/ 3 others i can't remember... is good.... so I am experimenting with ginger for now as that is the only spice I have on the list.....anyways I will keep you posted on my future results with ACT and later if I still have OBs...I'll try listerine and let you know if there's any difference.....Also, you shouldn't worry too much about trying it...it doesn't burn too much even if it gets in the mucous membranes... and the burning sensation goes away in about 10 minutes.

[Timf]

. HSV-2, if you didn't know, is a mutating virus and just like all antibiotics.... the virus gets immune to it and either the doctor will prescribe a higher dose or switch you to something stronger.

All nucleic acid based things mutate to some degree or another, HSV is a large DNA virus and tends to be fairly stable because of its large and complex genome - unlike say a segmented RNA virus like influenza where mutation and other genetic change is a huge issue and a major mechanism of immune evasion. Its replication machinery is poor to give the opportunity to mutate but that gives a lot of crap and dud virions. It also doesn't impact on the latent reservoir - which is the primary method of immune evasion in herpesviruses - that requires a pretty stable collection of latency associated genes.

A quick look at the studies on ACV-resistance in herpesviruses (and indeed resistance to any other potential anti-HSV drug as they are developed) - which is a HUGE topic of interest for research because of the arisal of antibiotic resistance in bacteria and the fact you can pretty easily generate ACV-resistant strains in the lab (been there, done it) - will show just how wrong that the statement that viral resistance is a routine thing is. The levels of antiviral resistance in the population have remained low (sub 1% of isolates from memory) despite the widespread introduction of antiviral therapy with ACV and its derivatives. There has been some increase in immunosuppressed people which it seems has more to do with survival of less-biologically fit , but not in the general population - so to say HSV routinely becomes resistant out in the field is simply and demonstrably wrong.

Here is some of the literature - reviews and otherwise - its a very condensed list because as I said - resistance, the potential for it and how it affects people has been and remains an active area of research interest and despite all that work it remains low out there.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1961 ... dinalpos=6
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1450 ... rom=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1817 ... dinalpos=3
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1557 ... rom=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1252 ... inalpos=21

[Angela]

Hopefully folks are using Mouth Wash brands for ... um ... mouth wash?

[Elizabeth]

This was a serious thread, really?!

[Angela]

This was a serious thread, really?!