Lotrimin and Tinactin stop my coldsore, why?

[Fen73]

I'm new to this forum. I went blind one night researching information on HSV and found a site that suggested fungus was the cause of most sores. It suggested Lotrimin and Tinactin sprays and creams. The creams have stopped two sore sores in their tracks. It has worked 100% so far at stopping the last two sensations that would always come to a blister.

Do I have fungus causing my sores or do these products stop HSV? I was diagnosed with HSV1 from a blood test.

[LustforLife]

hsv is a virus, not a fungus. i suppose you could also have a fungus.

my guess is those medications work because they dry out the affected area. but, i don't understand why you would choose to use an antifungal rather than a herpes medication.

[oxymoronicH]

Hey I cannot be so quick to shoot someones idea down, maybe a cure is right under our noses and we don't even know.

[half_full]

I don't think Lust is trying to rain on anyone's parade. After you've been on this board a while you see many posts about all kinds of things people claim work (and some of the things people try are pretty out there). There are people who will read those posts and assume it's all true even though there's no proof or research to back things up. (And I can hear you asking why research is so important...it's because we don't know what else this poster might be doing that could be affecting the cold sores. Could be something else entirely that is having this effect. We just don't know with the limited information we have).

Hey Fen, I'm just curious if you've ever tried an antiviral like Valtrex, etc.? If so, did you have any luck with it? Or did it not work well for you and that's why you tried the Lotrimin and Tinactin. Thanks for sharing.

[Fen73]

I have never used a prescription drug for my sores and got only minimal results with over-the-counter products. Sometimes I feel sores coming on and then my immune kicks in and stops them so it is still early for me to tell if it is for sure the antifungals stopping the sores or just my immune system. I don’t remember my immune system ever being this consistent before.

I am posting on another board where a person uses her benzaclin for her acne to stop her sores but she thinks the benzaclin is killing viruses. She suggested that the antifungals could be killing the viruses in my sores too. I researched some more and it looks like for every herpes sore picture there is a mirror image of it photographed in fungal infections. I'm fascinated.

Acne and fungal pimples at least look exactly the same and if benzaclin stops an OB it is probably because it is stopping a fungus. The site I read said that the reason herpes does not show up in most swabs is because herpes didn't cause the sore in the first place. It suggests that when herpes is found in a sore with a swab test it doesn’t mean that HSV caused the sore. It says that there could be any number of different viruses, bacteria or fungus found in any sore. Something about pathogens being opportunistic in injured tissue.

[Angela]

I'm new to this forum.

Well ... Welcome To Our Forum.

I went blind one night researching information on HSV and found a site that suggested fungus was the cause of most sores.

Herpes is NOT a Fungus.

It suggested Lotrimin and Tinactin sprays and creams.

Ok, well I've moved this thread into the appropriate forum.

The creams have stopped two sore sores in their tracks.

How are you so sure that your sores are actually Herpes?

It has worked 100% so far at stopping the last two sensations that would always come to a blister.

How were you diagnosed with herpes and what does your doctor say about you treating yourself with stuff you are finding in in stores or on the internet?

Do I have fungus causing my sores or do these products stop HSV?

That's a good question! Why don't you see your doctor and come back and tell us what your doctor says about this.

I was diagnosed with HSV1 from a blood test.

Oh really? So you had a type specific herpes antibody test, a blood test that tells you if you have HSV-1, HSV-2, both OR nothing at all?

Where do you get outbreaks on your body?

[Fen73]

Angela,

I know herpes is not a fungus, I hope I didn’t sound like I thought it was? My quote said the site said “fungus was the cause of most sores” thought to be herpes.

I tested positive in a blood test for HSV type 1 according to the doctor. He took a swab of the sore on my lip but it apparently tested negative. I don't know what kind of swab test or what kind of blood test they were because it was a long time ago and I didn’t question him. He said my coldsores are herpes because they look like herpes, act like herpes and because I tested positive for HSV 1.

I don't remember my doctor saying anything about fungus or offering to test to see if my sores were caused by anything other than herpes? Do you think he should have? It sounds like you are suggesting I need to go spend another chunk of my paycheck on a doctor today to say it is alright for me to use Tinactin to stop my sores? What should I expect from a doctor because right now I am extremely excited that fungicides have stopped two sores from occurring with the utmost efficiency?

As I said, a person on another forum mentioned benzaclin stops hers but she believes it kill viruses. What if the site I read is right and sores are being misdiagnosed? Right now I have a $7 tube of Tinactin and a $7 dollar tube of Lotrimin that should last me the rest of my life which cost me a grand total of $14. What could I possibly hope for from a visit to a doctor?

Am I to assume that no one else has tried fungicides on a sore? Are there medical warnings and ill side effects of using fungicides that I am unaware of?

[LustforLife]

what i'm saying is, you are choosing to believe some chick on a forum that has no science to back up her claims. yeah, those antifungals may be cheap, but they aren't doing anything to help with asymptomatic shedding. an antiviral would, and would limit the # of obs. and, acyclovir is pretty cheap, if it's a question of dollars.

i simply DON'T understand why you don't want to treat yourself with medications that are accepted for your condition.

[Angela]

LustforLife - I don't understand it either.

[Fen73]

Are you two sure you are not worried about something else unrelated to the effectiveness fungicides on coldsores? I don't want to hurt anyones feelings but I am worried.

When a car breaks you have the prerogative to fix it yourself. For example you might find that a simple fuse is all that needs to be replaced and your car is back to normal. It sounds like you two would suggest one take it in a get a licensed certified mechanic to diagnose and repair the car. You are asking a person to pay $200+ for a 25 cent fuse and one minute repair and remain ignorant on the ease of the repair in the process. The same goes for doctors. You can take the time to investigate something and fix it or you can pay a doctor to take you for a ride.

When I get instant relief from my coldsores with the use of antifungals it creates an opportunity to discuss the reasons. There is no need to be afraid of this kind of discussion. There is no reason to try to scare people into using a medication over an over-the-counter product. Let's discuss it in a group and see how many get relief from fungicides and how many do not. If we do this we are all more educated and informed.

Simply tell people that if you have herpes you better let your partner know up front and then we can discuss why fungicides stop some sores on a dime.

Most likely it works for me because my sores are not related to herpes though they look just like your everyday run of the mill coldsores. I thought it was worth sharing with others because it is very possible that 1 out of 10 people reading this are suffering from what I am suffering from and maybe 1 out of 10 will get as effective results as I do with fungicides. Who knows, it seems you are unaware of fungicides stopping coldsores so it may be that 5 out 10 coldsores can be stopped before any sign of tissue damage appears.

I figured when I started this discussion I was going to get a lot of feedback from people who have used fungicides. I had no idea that you have never considered the possibilities of something other than herpes causing sores. Really, will anyone here disagree with the website I read that said each sore will contain and abundance of different viruses, bacteria and fungi?

If fungicides work for anyone else it could be that there sores are caused by fungus and not herpes as well. If you claim fungicides are an effective means of controlling viruses that is great too. Some people may run out of their medications right before the big day and who knows a little jock itch cream could save the day.

Personally I would like to find out how many people have fungal sores instead of herpes if this is not too taboo?

[screendoor]

I'm new to the forum. I did a Google search for "herpes and antifungal cream" and found this site.

I wanted to pass on my own experience, that has recently quite surprised me in a good way. I first got HSV-1 on my lip about 30 years ago. It was verified with a blood test. I'd get them periodically, maybe once or twice a year. Then about 4 years ago, I started getting outbreaks on my upper lip (more on the skin between my lip and my nose), quite frequently, about 5 times a year. I even went to a doctor who on nothing but a visual inspection, said, "yup, that's herpes." I just assumed that it was. Sure looked like it, sure felt like it.

Then about 2 months ago, I read about a theory that said that many supposed herpes outbreaks are visually identical to some forms of facial fungus outbreaks. I happened to have an OB right then, and while it sure looked like a herpes OB, I was willing to try anything. So, I started to apply a basic antifungal to it (over-the-counter Lotrimin). Voilà, within *hours*, I saw it start to go away. By the next morning, it was almost completely gone. It was completely gone within 24 hours.

This was a minor miracle for me. Was it just this one OB that happened to be fungus related, or had many of my past OBs also been? About 2 weeks ago, I got another OB. This time, I immediately woke up and tried the Lotrimin again. Same thing: within minutes I saw a lessening of the OB, and by noon, it was basically all gone.

The lead to insight #2: I've always been very particular about where I put my hands. I never touch my face once I'm out in public where I have to shake hands, open door handles, lean on common railings, etc. However, I realized that I wasn't so conscious with touching my own body parts, in this case, my feet. I'm always massaging my toes. And what's between my toes at times? Athlete's foot. My insight was that would often touch my toes, then touch my face. Generally right at the place where these OBs were occurring!

I'm sure I still have the herpes virus. But I now think it may have been many years since I've had an outbreak. And these other kinds of OBs have been fungal in their origins. I hope this helps others out there.

[LustforLife]

it seems to me that both of you have bought into "truecures"'s hype, or another of his ilk. i know that you are going to do just what you want, and bolster it with these false claims. go ahead. that doesn't change the fact that herpes is best treated by an antiviral.

ya know, rather than just ritualistically treat any potential ob w/ these antifungals, why not go to your doc and get an actual culture of the sores, so you can know exactly what you're treating, and then act accordingly??? and, perhaps, thereby, prove it to the rest of us. don't worry - - i won't be holding my breath..

[Fen73]

it seems to me that both of you have bought into "truecures"'s hype, or another of his ilk. i know that you are going to do just what you want, and bolster it with these false claims. go ahead. that doesn't change the fact that herpes is best treated by an antiviral.

ya know, rather than just ritualistically treat any potential ob w/ these antifungals, why not go to your doc and get an actual culture of the sores, so you can know exactly what you're treating, and then act accordingly??? and, perhaps, thereby, prove it to the rest of us. don't worry - - i won't be holding my breath..

WOW, I didn't believe any part of the "truecures" hype at all until I tried the antifungals. Now do to “Always look on the bright side of life.” Lust for Life I believe a little more of the True Cures hype. I have a lust for life and I love the bright side and antifungals worked for me twice. I never thought True Cures was being banned for his content as he claims, I figured it was because of his conduct. Now I can see why he is so arrogant in his demeanor and I am thankful he was able to look past the attacks of those with ulterior motives and keep pushing his message.

I think I have had enough sharing my experience here. I'm afraid if I keep it up I will become just as rude as Lust for Life or as arrogant as True Cures.

I have one final question if it anyone else is following. Clearly this topic is taboo here is there any place where discussing options other than Valtrex are welcome.

[LustforLife]

it seems to me that both of you have bought into "truecures"'s hype, or another of his ilk. i know that you are going to do just what you want, and bolster it with these false claims. go ahead. that doesn't change the fact that herpes is best treated by an antiviral.

ya know, rather than just ritualistically treat any potential ob w/ these antifungals, why not go to your doc and get an actual culture of the sores, so you can know exactly what you're treating, and then act accordingly??? and, perhaps, thereby, prove it to the rest of us. don't worry - - i won't be holding my breath..

WOW, I didn't believe any part of the "truecures" hype at all until I tried the antifungals. Now do to “Always look on the bright side of life.” Lust for Life I believe a little more of the True Cures hype. I have a lust for life and I love the bright side and antifungals worked for me twice. I never thought True Cures was being banned for his content as he claims, I figured it was because of his conduct. Now I can see why he is so arrogant in his demeanor and I am thankful he was able to look past the attacks of those with ulterior motives and keep pushing his message.

I think I have had enough sharing my experience here. I'm afraid if I keep it up I will become just as rude as Lust for Life or as arrogant as True Cures.

I have one final question if it anyone else is following. Clearly this topic is taboo here is there any place where discussing options other than Valtrex are welcome.

well, if you think my suggesting that you get your next sore cultured to find out what it is, is rude...so be it.
i am wondering why you are reluctant to meet the challenge and prove whether it is yeast or herpes that you then cure using an antifungal.
since you aren't coming back, i guess i'll never know, and will never be convinced.

fyi - this is the place to discuss it, and the topic isn't taboo. i'm simply asking you to back up your claims with some science.

[Fen73]

So you are saying next time I get a sore coming on, don't eliminate it with the fungal cream and let it fester so "science" can do another swab test and say the virus is no longer active or viable when the virus does not show in the swab? Is that the scientific method you suggest?

Help me out some if you know what test to ask for, that a science doctor can give that tests for various forms of fungi outside of candida and I shall consider it. I say "consider" because I'm not too keen on the notion of allowing a sore to fester. On the chance that I get a persistent case that comes on despite the fungicide I would very much like to know what shows up in it.

I understand the testing for HSV, do you or others here know the testing process or procedure for fungus. What kind of doctor? What kind of test? Will I get the cross eyed look for having thoughts of my own for suggesting a doctor test something he or she already knows is HSV on sight?

It also seems you and others are going on the assumption that the fungicide is acting as an antiviral, any other comments or input on that? I’m asking because it has been said that this isn’t taboo. If Valtrex doesn’t cures HSV what is the problem using fungicide that is more effective than Valtrex.

I’m looking for answers and I don’t trust doctors anymore than I trust mechanics. If I know what I am talking about before a visit it will help eliminate confusion and me being taken advantage of.

[Fen73]

Clearly enough of you are against the notion that fungi is a cause of some OBs and seem 100% against whatever True Cures might say while at the same time claiming that you are unbiased enough to carry on a discussion here as long as it is “science” or “scientific”. Let's give it a shot.

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With that being said we can participate in science and on an individual scientific basis relying on firsthand knowledge for a refreshing change. If there are 10 people reading this that get cold sores they can try an antifungal cream like Lotrimin or Tinactin and report their results. This might give Lust for Life some piece of mind and help us all in the process because the only difference from personal scientific research and “medical science” is actual firsthand knowledge and the obvious fact that this scientific research will not require billions of dollars in donations.

So far two people have tried antifungals on coldsores previously diagnosed to be herpes with extremely powerful results. If 10 more people try antifungals with the same effect scientifically speaking we can deduct that antifungals are very effective on coldsores. Leaving us to confirm whether coldsores are caused by viruses or fungus for our next science project?

Like all science, the research is only as good as the honesty behind the research and just because today’s scientific research groups are swayed by who is paying them doesn’t mean we have to be biased because of personal agendas.

[Angela]

If you are finding things on the internet that sound too good to be true ... than chances are ... it's probably a SCAM. The "True Cures" folks are pretty ticked off that I will not let them post their Mumbo Jumbo on MY SITE. So be it!

[Fen73]

If you are finding things on the internet that sound too good to be true ... than chances are ... it's probably a SCAM. The "True Cures" folks are pretty ticked off that I will not let them post their Mumbo Jumbo on MY SITE. So be it!

Angela, I took his advice and used antifungals on my sores and it stopped two dead in their tracks. That is not a scam or mumbo jumbo. It is not even unreasonable. I seriously doubt True Cures is working for Tinactin or Lotrimin and I am not either.

Can you give us an example of any “mumbo jumbo” True Cures people try to post? Are you the only judge? If you think my claim is mumbo jumbo I feel really sorry for True Cures and your readers. It is very possible that fungicides will work for most of your readers but if you ban me you not only prevent True Cures from sharing this valuable information through me but you prevent your followers from thinking and researching for themselves and potentially enjoying greater relief than they have ever known.

If I suffer from fungus instead of viruses hence the effectiveness of the fungicides it gives me hope that I can find a cure for the fungus.

Am I going to be banned now because I maintain Tinactin cures my coldsores faster than any product I have ever used? What separates my post from the “Mumbo Jumbo” you ban? How do I keep from being banned? I want to know how fungicides work for others. Will it bother you if it proves extremely effective?

You have me worried.

[Elizabeth]

Fen, you wrote: " If Valtrex doesn’t cures HSV what is the problem using fungicide that is more effective than Valtrex."

Let's be careful about using the word "cure", since there is no authenticated, widely accepted cure for HSV. Once you get it, you keep it, for life.
Just because you loathe or distrust doctors or mechanics, that doesn't mean every individual in either profession is a quack. I thank my lucky stars that my doctor was on call the weekend I had my first outbreak and called in an antiviral only minutes after my 911 call. Within 24 hours, I felt immense relief.

[Fen73]

Fen, you wrote: " If Valtrex doesn’t cures HSV what is the problem using fungicide that is more effective than Valtrex."

Let's be careful about using the word "cure", since there is no authenticated, widely accepted cure for HSV. Once you get it, you keep it, for life.
Just because you loathe or distrust doctors or mechanics, that doesn't mean every individual in either profession is a quack. I thank my lucky stars that my doctor was on call the weekend I had my first outbreak and called in an antiviral only minutes after my 911 call. Within 24 hours, I felt immense relief.

Correction I do not loath or distrust doctors or mechanics, I distrust and loath greed and there is nothing wrong with using the word cure. It is a legitimate word is it not? I would like to be cured and I certainly loath the notion that I am expected to "be careful" in using the word.

I didn't have to call 911 for my first sore, matter of fact I do not even remember my first sore. I just wish someone would have educated me on antifungals earlier in my life if they continue to be so effective.

I'll ask again because it seems people have a lot of opinions but not much real information. What kind of doctor will accurately test a sore to see what all is present in the sore? We all know doctors are offended by patients that are educated or informed so it would be nice to at least know what kind of doctor is capable of doing such thorough testing.

Is it a dermatologist? Is there any other type of lab that does this kind of testing? I think it is safe to assume that there is no way to prove a sore is caused by herpes unless the actual virus is detected in the sore which seldom happens and then it is still questionable if it is detected because so far there is no proof that herpes causes sores we just assume the sores are caused by herpes when the virus is present. If I am wrong I would appreciate someone correcting me.

Will I be banned for not being sufficiently respectful of the use of the word “cure”? I respect the word apparently more than most. I like the word. I like the idea of cures and I do not believe any person is above a cure. I don’t believe that the FDA or doctors are the only people equipped to understand or produce a cure.

A few more question possibly more easily answered, are you and the others here against cures? Are you against all cures or just cures outside of science and medicine? If you are not against cures, what is it that makes some of you so defensive to fungicides or talk of cures? Is it all the corruption and greed associated with all the scams? I can respect that. Just because the world is saturated with scams does not mean that there is not real genuine information useful for better health other than the FDA approved “mumbo jumbo”.

[Angela]

To day there is no way to wipe out the herpes virus from your body. Once you contract it .. you keep it forever. Now ... if you came here to start a fight then perhaps you should leave. If you are wanted to share your experiences then that's fine as long as you aren't bashing everybody that doesn't agree with you. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

[Elizabeth]

Hey Fen, you know what I don't like about your overall message....it's full of stereotypes and generalizations, which portrays you as somewhat ignorant. And if you don't like that characterization, too bad. You also come across as very defensive, so toughen up if you intend to stick around for adult conversation.
You presume that all doctors or mechanics are greedy just because you've obviously had a negative experience with both. Get over your bad experiences and learn to trust again. One day a doctor may be saving your ass from dying on the operating table.

What kind of doctor will accurately test a sore to see what all is present in the sore?

Well, that depends. If a lesion pops up on your lip, a dermatologist or general physician can help figure out if it's herpes or some other type of lesion. If a woman finds a lesion on her girl parts, her OB-GYN can culture the area and send the culture to be typed in the lab. If a man finds a lesion on his boy parts, a general physician can culture the area and send the culture to be typed in the lab. If lesions are cultured within 24 to 48 hours of appearing, one has a better chance of obtaining a more definitive result.

We all know doctors are offended by patients that are educated or informed ...

Stupid generalization #1

I think it is safe to assume that there is no way to prove a sore is caused by herpes unless the actual virus is detected in the sore which seldom happens

Stupid generalization #2

and then it is still questionable if it is detected because so far there is no proof that herpes causes sores we just assume the sores are caused by herpes when the virus is present. If I am wrong I would appreciate someone correcting me.

Okay, people reading this thread, if you had an outbreak, oral or genital that produced marked lesions, cuts, or sores, and you had the area cultured and the diagnosis was HERPES, please let Fen know that there is a correlation. He's still a bit confused.

Will I be banned for not being sufficiently respectful of the use of the word “cure”? I respect the word apparently more than most. I like the word.

Oh, so this must be the part where you become really dramatic, right?

A few more question possibly more easily answered, are you and the others here against cures? Are you against all cures or just cures outside of science and medicine?

Stupid generalization #3

If you are not against cures, what is it that makes some of you so defensive to fungicides or talk of cures?

Let's repeat, and say it with me Fen: THERE IS NOT YET A CURE FOR HERPES THAT WILL DEFINITIVELY ERADICATE THE VIRUS FROM YOUR BODY. If you want to slather fungal creme on your lips all day, all year long, rock on.

[Fen73]

To day there is no way to wipe out the herpes virus from your body. Once you contract it .. you keep it forever. Now ... if you came here to start a fight then perhaps you should leave. If you are wanted to share your experiences then that's fine as long as you aren't bashing everybody that doesn't agree with you. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

I don't think I’m starting any fights. Clearly people are confused about my simple motives here and I will try and clarify. I do not care about herpes being curable or not. That doesn't concern me at all. I want to know how many fungal sores are misdiagnosed as herpes that can be immediately eliminated by antifungals.

I suspect antifungals do nothing for viral attacks and I also suspect that screendoor and I are not the only ones suffering from fungus after being told it was herpes. Maybe that was not clear, my sores have never tested to be herpes they just looked like herpes and therefore the doctor said they were herpes. My guess and part of my reason for posting here is that it is very likely that those who have never had a sore test positive for herpes are also suffering from fungus and their best defense is going to be a fungicide.

Now if that seems like I am trying to start a fight, you people are clearly protecting the flaws of medicine and science and are more involved in scams than True Cures or everyone else you fear and ban. I’m not trying to start a fight. I’m trying to find out how many people can stop their outbreaks on a dime with antifungals?

I’m not trying to start a fight. I’m trying to see how many people can stop their outbreaks on a dime with antifungals?

For the record the term “outbreak” does not mean herpes so please do not try to pigeon hole me with that. I don’t care about herpes. I care about finding out how to cure fungus and finding out how many people can stop their outbreaks on a dime with antifungals?

Now if anyone is offended by this I am very sorry. I have said nothing offensive so there is no way I can be accused of starting fights. If sores being misdiagnosed is offensive to you please feel free to ignore this thread. I’m certain when you do ignore this thread others will come forward with the same claims as screendoor and I.

[Fen73]

Elizabeth,

I was accused of trying to start a fight. I won’t quote you but I will say I don't think I am being ugly at all and as for my fear of being banned I feel they are reasonable after Angela made it clear that anyone who disagrees with her by agreeing with True Cures will be banned.

I don't care about herpes or sores on lips or girl parts. I care about what kind of doctor I would see to be tested for any one of hundred types of fungus. You are not going to goad me into a fight either.

If my information and questions offend you please let me be and allow others to comment without fear of being attacked for thinking for their selves.


Let me repeat it for you all. I don' care about herpes. I want to cure my sores. I have antibodies that suggest I have HSV 1 but this does not mean my sores are caused by HSV1 and it is my sores I am concerned about not herpes or whether herpes can be cured. Please give me the freedom to think for myself and use trial and error to my benefit.

[Elizabeth]

Fen, I'm not advocating that you be banned, and let's hope that doesn't happen.

Keep in mind that your questions were not specific enough, for me personally, to determine that all you want to know is: "what kind of doctor I would see to be tested for any one of hundred types of fungus."

You asked: "What kind of doctor will accurately test a sore to see what all is present in the sore?" Since many of the registered users on this site are women, and many of us are HSV+, and you mentioned that by a blood test you are HSV+, and a sore could have viral activity, I opted to cover all bases---girl parts, boy parts, and HSV generalities.

I cannot speak about fungi and now that I clearly understand that is your primary concern, I have nothing else to offer. I hope you find the answers you're looking for regarding the fungus situation.

[Fen73]

Fen, I'm not advocating that you be banned, and let's hope that doesn't happen.

Keep in mind that your questions were not specific enough, for me personally, to determine that all you want to know is: "what kind of doctor I would see to be tested for any one of hundred types of fungus."

You asked: "What kind of doctor will accurately test a sore to see what all is present in the sore?" Since many of the registered users on this site are women, and many of us are HSV+, and you mentioned that by a blood test you are HSV+, and a sore could have viral activity, I opted to cover all bases---girl parts, boy parts, and HSV generalities.

I cannot speak about fungi and now that I clearly understand that is your primary concern, I have nothing else to offer. I hope you find the answers you're looking for regarding the fungus situation.

If the fungicides prove to fail I won't be concerned about fungus any longer myself. I would like to have a culture done on a sore to see what all is present which to me is the essence of science. If HSV is not present but other viruses, bacteria and fungi are present I would like to know if any of the pathogens present are known to cause tissue damage.

I may be ignorant on many accounts but to me this seems pretty straight forward and reasonable if not completely scientific. So far I don't think there is a doctor or a test designed to look for random pathogens and it might be a very expensive undertaking.

To me it will be just as useful to know if others find consistent relief using antifungals and their sores thought to be HSV. Keep in mind many people have never had a sore test positive for HSV.

Thanks for your input.

[LustforLife]

look, fen, i will just lay out the facts as i see them.
1) YOU HAVE A BLOOD TEST SHOWING YOU POSITIVE FOR HSV1. statistically, you could assume you have it orally.
2) YOU COMPLAIN OF SORES ABOUT THE LIPS. these could be herpes, or they could be something else.
3) YOU TREAT YOURSELF WITH ANTIFUNGALS, AND ASSUME THEIR APPARENT EFFICACY MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE HERPES. there's a flaw in that logic. i've given you a reason why the wrong medication might relieve ohsv symptoms.
4) YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO CAN TEST YOU. your gp can perform the test. go see him within 24-48 hours of a sore developing, and ask him for a culture, to determine the cause. based on his experience, he might make a diagnosis and prescribe treatment. you can follow it, or use your antifungals. your choice.
5) SCIENCE??? yeah, i'd like to see anyone post some actual pathology of their sore, and their treatment of it. that's one thing true cures hasn't done. he can talk all day about fungi, but until i see some evidence that what existed was fungi, not herpes, i will have to remain a skeptic. at this moment in time, the only FDA approved treatments for herpes are antivirals.

[Angela]

Let's repeat, and say it with me Fen: THERE IS NOT YET A CURE FOR HERPES THAT WILL DEFINITIVELY ERADICATE THE VIRUS FROM YOUR BODY. If you want to slather fungal creme on your lips all day, all year long, rock on.

THAT right there pretty much summed it up for me.

I'm not in the practice of banning people BUT if I think your main purpose is to function in providing GRIEF and STUPIDITY ... then maybe that's the way to go?

I mean seriously ... we have more intelligent posts we could be reading vs. having to go at it with you.

I AM The Muffin Queen Baby!!!!

[Fen73]

Let's repeat, and say it with me Fen: THERE IS NOT YET A CURE FOR HERPES THAT WILL DEFINITIVELY ERADICATE THE VIRUS FROM YOUR BODY. If you want to slather fungal creme on your lips all day, all year long, rock on.

THAT right there pretty much summed it up for me.

I'm not in the practice of banning people BUT if I think your main purpose is to function in providing GRIEF and STUPIDITY ... then maybe that's the way to go?

I mean seriously ... we have more intelligent posts we could be reading vs. having to go at it with you.

I AM The Muffin Queen Baby!!!!

Angela in your argumentative state of mind you failed to see that Elizabeth and I had a simple misunderstanding which most likely happened because of your attacks and my defending myself. I think she was surprised to learn you ban people who disagree with you. This is the only thread I am following because I know the others have been done to death and being that you are involved with the "intelligent posts" I'm going to assume they are all on the lines of your post on this thread. I would rather watch monkey at the zoo partake of what you call "intelligent".

Let me help you out Angela, there is no cure for herpes so your time here is a proven waste of time. You spend your hours moderating a dead horse. THERE IS NO CURE FOR HERPES. YOU HAVE NO OPINION that counts. WHEN IT COMES TO HERPES YOU ONLY HAVE WHAT YOUR DOCTOR SAYS AND PRESCRIBES so what are you doing here, sharing recipes?

The fact is, if anyone is reading this thread they will try antifungals and I suspect they will most likely stick with antifungal because of their effectiveness. This is what you want to ban right now. This is the issue and question here no matter how much you want to turn it into a dead horse it is about "Lotrimin and Tinactin Stop My coldsores, Why?

Now ban me or get off my back. I want to get back to enjoying the fact that the dead horse I have been riding for years has been resurrected because I have options that work and are very worthwhile for discussion so you just keep spurring that dead horse of yours with “intelligent post” and see if you find the same relief I have found and others will find.

For the record, if Angela hasn’t scared everyone off, she bans people who discuss options other than her own points of view which seem to be the same point of view of your doctor. Who knows what you could learn if she wasn’t protecting her ego through banning people here.

[Angela]

Um.. I do, have and will continue to ban people from this forum. It is MY forum. If you want to come on here and pick a fight, sell something, talk about miracle cures .. you'll get banned. If you want to come on here and insult people, especially me, not only will you get booted.. but you'll get banned too. My forum, my prerogative, and I don't have to put up with nonsense from anybody and especially from the likes of YOU. Over and done.