Recent Imulux Announcement?

[HopefulKLP]

I recently found this on herpesonline.org's Latest H and STD News website page

Direct Link is: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/8/prweb420811.htm


“Herpes Cure” One Million Dollar Gaurantee

Herpes cure by www.Imulux.com.

Ft. Smith, Arkansas (PRWEB) August 7, 2006 -- Does herpes have to last forever? Not according to Dr. Allan Fjeistrup, M.D. of Stavanger, Norway.

Dr. Fjeistrup has now administered a new protocol developed by Imulux to 100 of his patients in Norway and over 200 participants of a clinical trial conducted in Henderson, Nevada. All of these patients were suffering from genital, oral or shingles, also a herpes virus.

“They seem to clear up overnight” he said. According to Dr. Fjeistrup “It uses a proprietary, newly patented, non-invasive technique to teach the herpes victim’s own immune system to recognize the invading virus which allows the body to create antibodies.”

Earlier clinical trials conducted in Sarasota, Florida indicate 100% success for immediate relief of symptoms and expedited healing. Two years later after application of the patented Imulux protocol the continued remission rates exceed 93%.

“You can catch another viral strain, but the original treated virus should never return” according to Dr. Jon Stoneburner, the developer of this new “miracle”.

The United States FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has granted an IND (Investigational New Drug) application to further test the efficacy of this protocol.


First of all, I take press releases with a grain of salt, and especially the ones that have typos! However, I'm trying to understand what they're saying. Are they saying that if you use the product, 1) it kills the virus, 2) you're no longer going to get breakouts, and 3) you can no longer pass the virus along to a sexual partner? Or are they just saying number 2? Any knowledgeable comments about this product would be helpful, but I would question the effectiveness of a UV ray treatment to do 1, 2 or 3. Maybe 2, but not much more.

Thanks,

KLP

[VT_Nick]

There is no cure for herpes, yet. This is a crock, do not believe it. Also, copied below is their disclaimer, further supporting my comment.

When a cure arrives for HSV, expect leading companies like Glaxo Smith Kline to be backing it.

Hope I didn't bum you out.

Nick










IMULUX Product Disclaimer
The IMULUX device is not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration or any other governmental or quasi-governmental agency of any foreign jurisdiction.

IMULUX Ltd. does not make any medical claims regarding the IMULUX device. No party involved in the manufacture or sale of the IMULUX device is licensed to practice medicine. You should not consider the information or equipment provided by IMULUX to be the practice of medicine or to replace consultation with a physician or other medical practitioner. The IMULUX device is not a substitute for medical treatment by a physician or other medical practitioner.

The IMULUX device is not intended to affect the structure or function of the body of any human or animal. IMULUX Ltd. believes the IMULUX device to be safe and non-harmful when used in accordance with its stated instructions. Discontinue use and consult your physician immediately if any skin irritation or other irregularity occurs in connection with your use of the IMULUX device.

BEYOND THE STATED WARRANTY, IMULUX Ltd. MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTY OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, AS TO THE SUITABILITY, PRODUCTIVITY, DURABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE, MERCHANTABILITY, CONDITION, OR ANY OTHER MATTER WITH RESPECT TO IMULUX PRODUCTS.

In no event shall IMULUX Ltd. or any of its officers, directors, employees or agents be liable for claims for any damages, whether direct, incidental, consequential, indirect, special or punitive, whether based upon warranty, contract, tort (including negligence) or strict liability arising in connection with the sale or the failure of IMULUX products to perform in accordance with their stated specifications.

YOUR USE OF THE IMULUX DEVICE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN PRIOR TO YOUR USE OF THE IMULUX DEVICE OR ANY OTHER TREATMENT DEVICE.

While IMULUX Ltd. attempts in good faith to include accurate and up-to-date information, we make no representations or warranties, express or implied, as to the accuracy or completeness of the information provided on this website and disclaim any liability for the use of this site or any site linked to it. IMULUX Ltd. may change this site at any time without notice but does not assume any responsibility to update it. All users agree that all access and use of this website and on any website linked to from this site and the content thereof is at their own risk. Neither IMULUX nor any other party involved in creating, producing or delivering this website or on any website linked to from this site shall be liable in any manner whatsoever for any direct, incidental, consequential, indirect or punitive damages arising out of your access, use or inability to use this website or any website linked to from this site, or any errors or omissions in the content thereof.

[HopefulKLP]

I'm not surprised at all that this product announcement is suspect to say the least. However, the one comment I would question is that the big Pharmas will develop and bring to market a cure, if possible. While I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist, the Pharmas make bigger money by treating the recurring symptoms as opposed to the underlying virus. It's no secret that suppressive, daily therapy can add up to a substantial amount. Compare that to a one-time treatment. Pharmas have shareholders, and corporate management seeks to ensure their own survival and compensation. Doctors may take the hippocratic oath, but business people make no equivalent commitment. However, more and more business ethics and morals are under review. I think the big Pharmas would be hammered if they withheld a cure and it was found out by the media.

KLP

[MtnLaurel]

Just to show that cynicism might work FOR those of us awaiting a cure...

So imagine that your Big Pharma competitor manufactures the most popular suppressive... wouldn't you want to deflate their profits and increase your own by releasing the new "cure" drug?? I think maybe YES!

As oft quoted in the 80s, "Greed is good!" Or at least it might be!

[Angela]

Imulux - what can it do?

Hope this helps,

Angela

[Imulux President]

Open Letter to all past, current and future users of the Imulux protocol.

My name is Dr. Jon Stoneburner, President and owner of Imulux Ltd.. I was appointed to the position of Professor of Energy Medicine at the Institute of Progressive Medicine in 2005 by its founder Dr. John Martin and have co authored published clinical trials that appear in Principals of Molecular Pathology. I have been appointed the position of “clinical investigator” buy the IRB (Institutional Review Board) under an IND (Investigational New Drug) permit granted by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) in April of 2006.

There has been a lot of talk in the herpes community regarding Imulux. I would like to clarify our claims and position on the Imulux protocol so that there is no misunderstanding.

IMULUX CLAIM
No one on the face of the planet can claim to have a "cure" for herpes but we at Imulux feel that we might have the closest thing to it.

- We claim that the Imulux protocol kills viruses allowing the body to form antibodies. Your immune system is what protects you from that point forward.

- We claim according to clinical trials that patients consistently report immediate relief of symptoms associated with their outbreak and expedited healing of their lesion following application of the Imulux protocol.


ADDITIONAL INFO:
Science will agree with the following facts:

· ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT IS “HAZARADIOUS TO THE HEALTH OF VIRUSES”, they do not survive well in its presence.
· IF MEDICINE INJECTS DEAD VIRUSES INTO THE BODY THE BODY WILL FORM ANTIBODIES. (EXAMPLE; A FLU SHOT)

Scientists at Imulux have found a solution that allows ultraviolet light to pass through the skin unaltered in wavelength or intensity. We call this solution a “photon lending substance”. The substance involved is not a drug, medication, or strong chemical with hazardous side effects. In fact it is classified by the FDA as a class one Medical Device. This substance is readily absorbed by the virus and when exposed to ultraviolet light causes damage to the virus killing it. The light alone would damage the virus but the photon lending substance allows the light to enter the virus directly killing it. This is simply a form of energy medicine, no different than cold packs placed on an injured ankle. The cold helps the pain and swelling. (“Energy medicine”)


Published clinical trials have proven the following; (http://www.imulux.com/news.html)
· Patients consistently report immediate relief of outbreak symptoms following the Imulux protocol
· Doctors and clinicians report expedited healing readily observable at 24 hour follow up of the Imulux protocol
Interviews with clinical investigators that have done 3 year follow up surveys showed the following facts:
· 93% of patients contacted showed continued permanent remission (outbreak free) at three years following the Imulux protocol with one treatment.
· with two treatments the percentage jumps to over 96%
· 5 patients required 3 treatments for permanent remission
· Only three patients required more than 3 treatments for permanent remission
· Only one patient reported a total of 7 treatments for permanent remission
The following should be clearly noted here:

1) That many of the multiple treatment patients had more than one partner during this three year period and some admitted having multiple relationships prior to the administration of the Imulux protocol; thus it is possible for some individuals to harbor more than one strain of the herpes virus.
2) The Imulux protocol treats the current strain involved in the current outbreak only. After the Imulux protocol the individual will produce antibodies to the strain that is active in the current outbreak. These antibodies will not protect you from another strain. One successful treatment does not make it impossible for an individual to be re-infected with another strain of the herpes virus.

Most Common Reasons Why Imulux May Appear Not To Work for Some Patients:

1) Treating outside the window of an active outbreak (typically a four day window is all you have): An ACTIVE outbreak must be present for application to occur. It is imperative that the active outbreak is there. If you do not have an active outbreak when treating yourself, it may not work. DO NOT TREAT what may NOT be an outbreak, or DO NOT TREAT a premature outbreak, or DO NOT TREAT a post outbreak, BUT RATHER TREAT a real ACTIVE outbreak that is present.
2) Infected with Multiple Strains: If you have multiple strains, YOU WILL HAVE another outbreak. It is imperative that you treat the second outbreak with the appropriate Medpak. There are 8 different major categories of the herpes virus, and there are multiple sub-strains in each category, thus it is possible that you could have dozens of different strains in your body. Therefore it is possible that you may need to treat yourself multiple times. However, according to studies 93% of the people only have one strain, an additional 6% of the people have 2 strains, and less than 1% have more than 2 strains. YOU MUST TREAT EACH STRAIN SEPERATLEY WITH EACH OUTBREAK.
3) Multiple Partners: If you have multiple partners, YOU MAY CATCH another strain, and therefore you MUST treat the new strain separately. After the use of the IMULUX treatment on a particular strain, you are still susceptible to re-infection with a new strain.
4) Improper Application: You MUST apply the protocol correctly. And must see all the complete stages occur (i.e. “The florescence”). Without the florescence the virus is not present, and therefore too late or too early for the application of the protocol to be successful.

The Imulux Wellness Program allows you to receive FREE OF CHARGE additional Medpaks due to the above treatment failures.

[Imulux President]

Open Letter to all past, current and future users of the Imulux protocol.

My name is Dr. Jon Stoneburner, President and owner of Imulux Ltd.. I was appointed to the position of Professor of Energy Medicine at the Institute of Progressive Medicine in 2005 by its founder Dr. John Martin and have co authored published clinical trials that appear in Principals of Molecular Pathology. I have been appointed the position of “clinical investigator” buy the IRB (Institutional Review Board) under an IND (Investigational New Drug) permit granted by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) in April of 2006.

There has been a lot of talk in the herpes community regarding Imulux. I would like to clarify our claims and position on the Imulux protocol so that there is no misunderstanding.

IMULUX CLAIM
No one on the face of the planet can claim to have a "cure" for herpes but we at Imulux feel that we might have the closest thing to it.

- We claim that the Imulux protocol kills viruses allowing the body to form antibodies. Your immune system is what protects you from that point forward.

- We claim according to clinical trials that patients consistently report immediate relief of symptoms associated with their outbreak and expedited healing of their lesion following application of the Imulux protocol.


ADDITIONAL INFO:
Science will agree with the following facts:

· ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT IS “HAZARADIOUS TO THE HEALTH OF VIRUSES”, they do not survive well in its presence.
· IF MEDICINE INJECTS DEAD VIRUSES INTO THE BODY THE BODY WILL FORM ANTIBODIES. (EXAMPLE; A FLU SHOT)

Scientists at Imulux have found a solution that allows ultraviolet light to pass through the skin unaltered in wavelength or intensity. We call this solution a “photon lending substance”. The substance involved is not a drug, medication, or strong chemical with hazardous side effects. In fact it is classified by the FDA as a class one Medical Device. This substance is readily absorbed by the virus and when exposed to ultraviolet light causes damage to the virus killing it. The light alone would damage the virus but the photon lending substance allows the light to enter the virus directly killing it. This is simply a form of energy medicine, no different than cold packs placed on an injured ankle. The cold helps the pain and swelling. (“Energy medicine”)


Published clinical trials have proven the following; (http://www.imulux.com/news.html)
· Patients consistently report immediate relief of outbreak symptoms following the Imulux protocol
· Doctors and clinicians report expedited healing readily observable at 24 hour follow up of the Imulux protocol
Interviews with clinical investigators that have done 3 year follow up surveys showed the following facts:
· 93% of patients contacted showed continued permanent remission (outbreak free) at three years following the Imulux protocol with one treatment.
· with two treatments the percentage jumps to over 96%
· 5 patients required 3 treatments for permanent remission
· Only three patients required more than 3 treatments for permanent remission
· Only one patient reported a total of 7 treatments for permanent remission
The following should be clearly noted here:

1) That many of the multiple treatment patients had more than one partner during this three year period and some admitted having multiple relationships prior to the administration of the Imulux protocol; thus it is possible for some individuals to harbor more than one strain of the herpes virus.
2) The Imulux protocol treats the current strain involved in the current outbreak only. After the Imulux protocol the individual will produce antibodies to the strain that is active in the current outbreak. These antibodies will not protect you from another strain. One successful treatment does not make it impossible for an individual to be re-infected with another strain of the herpes virus.

Most Common Reasons Why Imulux May Appear Not To Work for Some Patients:

1) Treating outside the window of an active outbreak (typically a four day window is all you have): An ACTIVE outbreak must be present for application to occur. It is imperative that the active outbreak is there. If you do not have an active outbreak when treating yourself, it may not work. DO NOT TREAT what may NOT be an outbreak, or DO NOT TREAT a premature outbreak, or DO NOT TREAT a post outbreak, BUT RATHER TREAT a real ACTIVE outbreak that is present.
2) Infected with Multiple Strains: If you have multiple strains, YOU WILL HAVE another outbreak. It is imperative that you treat the second outbreak with the appropriate Medpak. There are 8 different major categories of the herpes virus, and there are multiple sub-strains in each category, thus it is possible that you could have dozens of different strains in your body. Therefore it is possible that you may need to treat yourself multiple times. However, according to studies 93% of the people only have one strain, an additional 6% of the people have 2 strains, and less than 1% have more than 2 strains. YOU MUST TREAT EACH STRAIN SEPERATLEY WITH EACH OUTBREAK.
3) Multiple Partners: If you have multiple partners, YOU MAY CATCH another strain, and therefore you MUST treat the new strain separately. After the use of the IMULUX treatment on a particular strain, you are still susceptible to re-infection with a new strain.
4) Improper Application: You MUST apply the protocol correctly. And must see all the complete stages occur (i.e. “The florescence”). Without the florescence the virus is not present, and therefore too late or too early for the application of the protocol to be successful.

The Imulux Wellness Program allows you to receive FREE OF CHARGE additional Medpaks due to the above treatment failures.

[auntiejessi]

My question is since when did killing virus allow my body to make antibodies?

Your body makes antibodies when a virus or germ ENTERS the body, so I already have antibodies to help keep herpes in check. I don't get how this will work for my body to make antibodies it ALREADY HAS.

Now, to be fair, I didn't read all the babble he wrote, but when I saw that statement about imulux kills virus so my body can make antibodies, I got red flags all over.

I am NOT anti-cure, or pro-pharm. I just hate seeing people put a lot of hope into something that won't work.

I think its MUCH healthier, psychologically, to learn how to deal and cope with herpes than to sit around and wait for a cure. If a cure comes, great - if not, you can deal.

Jess

[VT_Nick]

Open Letter to all past, current and future users of the Imulux protocol.

My name is Dr. Jon Stoneburner, President and owner of Imulux Ltd.. I was appointed to the position of Professor of Energy Medicine at the Institute of Progressive Medicine in 2005 by its founder Dr. John Martin and have co authored published clinical trials that appear in Principals of Molecular Pathology. I have been appointed the position of “clinical investigator” buy the IRB (Institutional Review Board) under an IND (Investigational New Drug) permit granted by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) in April of 2006.

-Hi, nice to meet your Dr. Congrats on being one of the millions out there that have been allowed to do research by the FDA.

There has been a lot of talk in the herpes community regarding Imulux. I would like to clarify our claims and position on the Imulux protocol so that there is no misunderstanding.

-Marketing, freshman year... 3 credits. Interpersonal communication, 1 credit. Yup, I had those classes too. Scripted tactful statements buy you nothing with an educated crowd. Kudos on the opening line though...

IMULUX CLAIM
No one on the face of the planet can claim to have a "cure" for herpes but we at Imulux feel that we might have the closest thing to it.

-Is that so? Really? C'mon buddy, be honest with us! Well, according to YOU, in YOUR quotes... You do have a cure, and you challenge others with a million dollar promise if they can prove otherwise. Below is the link, and I believe it's paragraph 6.

http://www.onlinealdara.com/2006/08/07/ ... gaurantee/

- We claim that the Imulux protocol kills viruses allowing the body to form antibodies. Your immune system is what protects you from that point forward.

- You claim this? And you call yourself a doctor? Thanks for letting me, and the others know that our immune system is what protects us. What a dawning sense of new knowledge. I'm lifted, thanks!

- We claim according to clinical trials that patients consistently report immediate relief of symptoms associated with their outbreak and expedited healing of their lesion following application of the Imulux protocol.

-You claim other things as well. I claim that my good friends Glaxo, Smith, and Kline have a product that is PROVEN to work, is backed by real scientists, and is FDA approved.

ADDITIONAL INFO:
Science will agree with the following facts:

· ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT IS “HAZARADIOUS TO THE HEALTH OF VIRUSES”, they do not survive well in its presence.
· IF MEDICINE INJECTS DEAD VIRUSES INTO THE BODY THE BODY WILL FORM ANTIBODIES. (EXAMPLE; A FLU SHOT)

-Wow, another sparkling gem of knowledge. If I already knew this, does that make me a doctor too? I learned about that in Biology, 9th grade. I used to pass notes in class to the girl in the front seat I had a crush on, maybe we were in the same class?

Scientists at Imulux have found a solution that allows ultraviolet light to pass through the skin unaltered in wavelength or intensity. We call this solution a “photon lending substance”. The substance involved is not a drug, medication, or strong chemical with hazardous side effects. In fact it is classified by the FDA as a class one Medical Device. This substance is readily absorbed by the virus and when exposed to ultraviolet light causes damage to the virus killing it. The light alone would damage the virus but the photon lending substance allows the light to enter the virus directly killing it. This is simply a form of energy medicine, no different than cold packs placed on an injured ankle. The cold helps the pain and swelling. (“Energy medicine”)

-Photon lending substance. That's neat, care to explain what that means in detail? I've never heard of such a process, nor can 3 of my Dr. friends, nor can any study found on the internet. So please, don't be shy...go ahead and tell us what that *really* means.

-A class 'one' medical device? Is that so? Here is what I know about that...

Class I: General Controls

Class I devices present minimal potential for harm to the user and are often simpler in design than Class II or Class III devices. These devices are subject only to general controls. General controls cover such issues as manufacturer registration with the FDA, good manufacturing techniques, proper branding and labelling, notification of the FDA before marketing the device, and general reporting procedures[2]. (Most Class I devices are exempt from the good manufacturing practices and/or the FDA notification regulations.)[2] These controls are deemed sufficient to provide reasonable assurance of the safety and effectiveness of the device; or the device is not life-supporting or life-sustaining and does not present a reasonable source of injury through normal usage. Devices in this category include tongue depressors, bedpans, elastic bandages, examination gloves, and hand-held surgical instruments and other similar types of common equipment.

Isn't that something? Sounds like your big invention is no more effective than a tounge swab. Yea, I used to have one of those 'ultraviolet' lights. Back when I was in college; I used it to grow a marijuana plant. (This was after the freshman marketing class that we both took)

The substance involved is not a drug, medication, or strong chemical with hazardous side effects.

-Niether are antivirals called Valtrex.

Published clinical trials have proven the following; (http://www.imulux.com/news.html)
· Patients consistently report immediate relief of outbreak symptoms following the Imulux protocol
· Doctors and clinicians report expedited healing readily observable at 24 hour follow up of the Imulux protocol
Interviews with clinical investigators that have done 3 year follow up surveys showed the following facts:
· 93% of patients contacted showed continued permanent remission (outbreak free) at three years following the Imulux protocol with one treatment.
· with two treatments the percentage jumps to over 96%
· 5 patients required 3 treatments for permanent remission
· Only three patients required more than 3 treatments for permanent remission
· Only one patient reported a total of 7 treatments for permanent remission

-Wow, you did a clinical trial on 100 people? Budget must be tight, eh? Are you also aware that 90% of people do not show symptoms that are recognized? Did you factor that into your little 'trial'. I tend to doubt it.

The following should be clearly noted here:

1) That many of the multiple treatment patients had more than one partner during this three year period and some admitted having multiple relationships prior to the administration of the Imulux protocol; thus it is possible for some individuals to harbor more than one strain of the herpes virus.

-Easy big fellah, we are talking scientific math here. There are 2 strains of the Herpes Simplex Virus. HSV-1 and HSV-2.

2) The Imulux protocol treats the current strain involved in the current outbreak only. After the Imulux protocol the individual will produce antibodies to the strain that is active in the current outbreak. These antibodies will not protect you from another strain. One successful treatment does not make it impossible for an individual to be re-infected with another strain of the herpes virus.

Current outbreak only? So you treat the Herpes virus each time an outbreak occurs. Wow, what an amazing concept... I take Valtrex for that. Oh no! What about the other strains!!! Oh yea, there is only TWO strains of HSV...but wait, you mean your product only treats the current strain of the current outbreak? So what you are really saying is your product is a treatment for outbreaks, and does not kill the HSV virus. Yep, that's what we all thought. Thanks for devalidating your entire argument of your product.

Most Common Reasons Why Imulux May Appear Not To Work for Some Patients:

Cough...bullshit, Cough.... (geez, i need to quite smoking)

1) Treating outside the window of an active outbreak (typically a four day window is all you have): An ACTIVE outbreak must be present for application to occur. It is imperative that the active outbreak is there. If you do not have an active outbreak when treating yourself, it may not work. DO NOT TREAT what may NOT be an outbreak, or DO NOT TREAT a premature outbreak, or DO NOT TREAT a post outbreak, BUT RATHER TREAT a real ACTIVE outbreak that is present.

Ok, so should we also give ourselves a swab test, and wait for the lab results to find out if it's actually an outbreak? Or do you just want us to put this Star Wars - Han Solo ultraviolet light sabre up to your genitals at will? By the way... Have you taken a vacation to death star yet? I heard Luke Skywalker is a party animal!

2) Infected with Multiple Strains: If you have multiple strains, YOU WILL HAVE another outbreak. It is imperative that you treat the second outbreak with the appropriate Medpak. There are 8 different major categories of the herpes virus, and there are multiple sub-strains in each category, thus it is possible that you could have dozens of different strains in your body. Therefore it is possible that you may need to treat yourself multiple times. However, according to studies 93% of the people only have one strain, an additional 6% of the people have 2 strains, and less than 1% have more than 2 strains. YOU MUST TREAT EACH STRAIN SEPERATLEY WITH EACH OUTBREAK.

Did you forget to mention that only 2 strains of Herpes (HSV-1 and HSV-2) are the only ones that cause GENITAL HERPES? I think you did. So now you stand correct, Mr. Doctor. Damn those 'MEDPAKS', where do you get those? From the Imulux mothership? I heard that UFO only lands in Iowa. Can you tell me the schedule of the next landing? Thanks...

3) Multiple Partners: If you have multiple partners, YOU MAY CATCH another strain, and therefore you MUST treat the new strain separately. After the use of the IMULUX treatment on a particular strain, you are still susceptible to re-infection with a new strain.

-I don't think my girlfriend is going to appreciate me bringing your Han Solo ultraviolet light sabre into bed... Oh and by the way... incase you didn't know 'Dr'... once you have HSV-1 or HSV-2 or both, you cannot re-infect yourself.

4) Improper Application: You MUST apply the protocol correctly. And must see all the complete stages occur (i.e. “The florescence”). Without the florescence the virus is not present, and therefore too late or too early for the application of the protocol to be successful.

-Ok, I have a question!!!! Should I use SPF 15 or 30 sun block? I wouldn't want a sun burn on my tickle pickle.

The Imulux Wellness Program allows you to receive FREE OF CHARGE additional Medpaks due to the above treatment failures.

-Well that's a damn relief. I really had no interest to drive out to IOWA to meet you at the mothership for those MEDPAKS.



Listen, pal. Please take your spam and your bullshit product over to www.getarealeducation.com and figure out a new way to make money. Your lies, buzzwords, and overall worthless copy/paste from your website doesn't fester well with the locals here at Yoshi2me.

Regards,

Nick

[Hugo]

Please don't hold back... Tell us how you really feel.

You might also take a look at http://imulux.googlepages.com I saw it elsewhere and found it interesting reading. There seems to be a bit of Imulux discussion over at the Herpes Home Page, too, in the Alternative Treatments forum. http://racoon.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboa ... &conf=Main

Hugo

[JoyChick]

Basically what I get from all this is that there would have to be an outbreak within a certain window of time with the correct virus and no future exposure to the other type of herpes virus (Let's not forget Herpes Zoster [aka chicken pox, shingles and all that] which I am assuming is maybe part of this discussion but that is not clear) for this product to work. More, the clinical trials were done on a small group, without an overwhelming positive causality return, seemingly little controls, and, in what really gets me .. Imulux was granted permission to do the research in 2005 but has three years of data.

This may or may not be a good deal. It is WAY too early to be hyping it anywhere! But I'd be happy to see research continue to the point where the tested group was large and had a similarly large control group and that the window for treatment, recognition, and administerring made more sense and provided more data about how this might be a good tool.

It is interesting that the word "cure" is tossed about. It sounds like Imulux might just deal well with symptoms. That is no cure.

Right now, I have a process and lifestyle that works with herpes very well and I am getting better all the time ... without Imulux. It makes me happy and works for me. I'll stick with it until much more scientific data (ie tell me where to look it up in a scholarly journal) is available and treatment isn't so quirky.

Thanks,
J

Oh btw, Nick, "tickle pickle"? I needed that giggle this morning. Thanks!

[Amy]

This is an extremely deceptive bit of wording that (in agreement with m'Gayla!!!) has been very cleverly put together, In hopes of getting desperate people to grasp at straws and at least those desperate people will send them some $$ to try it. Just c'mon and tryyyyyy it!!! Sure! I'll take your $$$ and altho I am "telling you you are "cured" - if you DO have another ob ever it is becasue you didn't follow the protocol to the letter and then the "blame" for the failed treatment therapy goes on the patient - not the product. Oh good Grief! This is some good ol' doctor "seeming", research "sounding", mumbo - jumbo DOUBLE TALK!!!

I am looking at this "protocol" and they are saying:
Science will agree with this.

And "Heat Inactivated Antibodies" in the body (NOTICE they are not even using the correct medical jargon!) heat inactivation only "inactivates" the antibodies and it can sometimes not completely "inactivate" them all thereby creating a situation where there is partially live virus entering the body....opportunity again for ob!

And what is their QC for all of this? Quality control is PARAMOUNT!

What they are essentially doing (seems) is somewhat of a virtual radiation by letting the ultra violet light penetrate the body and poison the virus - in hopes of killing it and curing the patient.....akin to radiating or giving chemo to a cancer....well, good, but "THAT" which acts as as a deterent or a help or a buffer - is NOT ALWAY a cure. FOR SURE! (My father-in-law will attest to this! He is still dying after 3 chemos.)

Hence the blame seems to fall on the patient if it doesn't work. Imulux can say "Well you didn't do this to the letter - did you do that? Well then you are not cured!" WHY? NOT because of the patient or maybe even the therapy. BECAUSE!!!!!

Not all radiation and chemo CURES a cancer. If it were only that simple!!!!
Next they will tell us they can cure the common cold with a suntan.....hey!
We're getting radiated by UV rays! We are getting radiated by something!
Shouldn't it work?
Not always.

If this truly worked......I mean honestly and truly....this therapy would be the ONLY therapy. Science would jump on the band wagon.

And then they actually say:

Most common reasons why Imulux May "Appear" Not to work....all of these are possible solutions. That word "appear".....how vague....leaves questions.

And these "common reasons" are also a good way for the product to explain itself when it does NOT work, or cure the patient.

Multiple partners - multiple strains - window of opp!

Well we all have a past that probably includes "multiple partners" - that could be classified as more than ONE!

Multiple strains - If you kiss someone you can get type 1 herpes, then you have "multiple partners" - (Remember! Anything more than 1 is a "multiple"!) then you possibly get type 2 herpes and then you are screwed cause you kissed Aunt Mabel at age 2 and got type 1 and then had some sex (like the rest of the world!) and get type 2 and now YOU can't be "cured". Oh the fine print and circle talk of it all!

If's, And's, But's, Maybe's If this stuff cuts back on the obs - great, fine,terrific.....but most sorry to say, the therapy may be cutting edge but in theory and practice it is 2 different things.

The theory is it "should" work. The practice is, it may not always and then they question is why. Because it is a virus- hiding, oportunistic and always lurking.

Is cancer a virus? The question has been asked in the medical community.
Maybe Imulux can work on that one next.

Imulux has done what the entire medical community couldn't do together?
Not too sure on that one.

I work at the 3rd largest std clinic in the country and if there was this big break through - the research dept would be dancing in the hallway! We sure wish!

I am sure there is some merit to their methods and validity to some of their research (And I am speaking as someone who is Certified to conduct Research - yep! Me!)

Until the FDA tells me it is a cure, I'll keep taking my anti-virals and taking care of myself WITH this virus as best I can.

Thanks for listening.

Amy

[friscokid737]

About 5-6 months ago, I came across phototherapyforherpes. I looked at the website with skepticism. However, I couldn't help but call Dr. Stoneburner and talk with him at length about his protocol for eliminating outbreaks of HSV2. I have continually suffered outbreaks to the tune of 2 or 3 outbreaks a month. I did a year of therapy using Valtrex. The virus would over power the medications. I have written my story about what I observed under Yoshi2me's post "Imulux-What it can do for you". I will be running a continual update from time to time about my experiences using Imulux. I think you will find it informative and with no support for or against Imulux. I only want the readers to make their own opinion about the protocol. I give no endorsements to Dr. Stoneburner or the Imulux treatment. I only give my honest and sincere observations what has occured during my treatment. However, only time will tell if the treatment is successful. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me at friscokid757@yahoo.com. I'll be very happy to be your guinea pig.

Respectfully,
Friscokid737

[Hugo]

As a practical matter, a real study requires a few hundred guinea pigs with half of them being a control group in a double blind study before it means much.

Anecdotal evidence is the stock in trade of questionable "alternative" products. Sites that have testimonials for their product as a prominent feature send up big red flags for me, but that's just my opinion.

Herpes gets better on its own, too, without treatment, so don't confuse that effect with a product actually doing some good.

[stangsnthangs]

Hey, Ultraviolet light kills the virus? Dang, I've been tanning the wrong body parts!!!!!

Libby

[Hugo]

According to their "study" the people who used only food dye instead of "the real stuff™" had no improvement in their condition, while ALL the folks who used "the real stuff™" had remarkable improvement.

[Angela]

Interesting Facts

Angela

[Angela]

I think we should all get together to work to expose the scams that we find on the internet, what do ya'll think?

Angela

[Hugo]

I'm afraid, though, that is a LOT of this sort of deceptive crap is out there. Take a good look at http://quackwatch.com Think of the poor people who are fighting cancer or AIDS and are being deceived by soundrels selling hope and junk..

Let's do what we can in our neck of the cyber woods.

[Angela]

Hugo ~

I keep forgetting about QuackWatch. Thanks for reminding me about that one.

Angela

[rajah]

our "Alternative Treatments" forum that you all might want to check if you are following this product.

http://racoon.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboa ... &conf=Main

[friscokid737]

Its been almost a month and I wanted to give an update. To date I have had no reoccurences of the virus. I believe it is to early to tell if its been an effective long term treatment for HSV2. In my previous posts, I have stated that I was having OB's approx. every two weeks. After about 5 days post Imulux treatment, all indications of my OB has healed. I make no offers for recommendations for or against the Imulux treatment. I have used it twice and only time will tell if it stops the OB's. I have been told it is not a cure but a means of controlling the OB's. Angela states even though you may not show physical symptoms of the actual virus, you still may shed the virus at anytime. With this I agree. However, this may be a treatment for relief of OB's for those that suffer continual OB's. If you have any questions, please email me at friscokid757@yahoo.com.

[Angela]

friscokid737 ~

There is no clinical proof that Imulux does jack doo-doo for herpes. There could be lots of different reasons why all of a sudden you are not getting outbreaks. Until you can rule everything out AND have the scientific community validate your claims, it's all just a big guess.

Angela

[friscokid737]

Angela,

I'm not trying to sell anyone on Imulux. All I'm doing is using the product and reporting on what has occured. I do believe there needs to be clinical trials to prove Imulux validity protocol. I'm only offering my experiences. So take my post on what they are. Only an honest, open and unbiased observation of the Imulux protocol that I used on myself. Nothing more. If it doesn't work to control OB's, I'll be the first to get on here and state so.

Friscokid737

[Angela]

And nobody is trying to say that it wipes out the virus from your body, right?

I would be more interested in you having daily pcr swabs to determine when you are shedding asymptomatically. Just because you can't see or feel an outbreak doesn't mean the virus isn't active on the surface of your skin.

You have to realize that I am putting ALL of the information together when discussion all of these "possibilities."

Angela

[friscokid737]

Angela,

I'm just posting my own observations. I may be asymptomatic but that is not my point. I'm offering my own unbiased observations about the use of Imulux. I'm not selling it, I don't endorse it, I don't personally know Dr. Stoneburner, I'm just giving my simple observations. You may be right on all of your input. However, I have not seen anyone come forward and report their observations in the use of Imulux. If it doesn't work, I'll say so. You do bring up some very good points. My questions is should I not post here anymore about my personal observations about Imulux? Let me know. You seem a little hostile toward me.

friscokid737

[Angela]

Angela,

I'm just posting my own observations.

And I'm not permitted to have an opinion?

I may be asymptomatic but that is not my point.

I understand that you feel the product might actually be doing something for your outbreak situation. However, devil's advocate has to come into play at some point in order to make sure that we are all taking a look at ALL the possibilities. There is a big picture you know...

I'm offering my own unbiased observations about the use of Imulux.

That's great! I don't understand why you are taking my challenges so personally?

I'm not selling it, I don't endorse it, I don't personally know Dr. Stoneburner, I'm just giving my simple observations.

Great! Your input is welcome and so is everybody elses... that's what this forum is about - DISCUSSION.

You may be right on all of your input.

I am merely sharing what I know and participating in this discussion. I don't understand why this offends you...

However, I have not seen anyone come forward and report their observations in the use of Imulux.

Why do you think that is?

If it doesn't work, I'll say so.

Don't you think you might need some proof first? How do you know that it's the Imulux that is making your outbreaks go away? How do you know it's not the type of herpes that you have in the location that you have it? How do you know that you are NOT the 90% of those that have genital herpes and just don't get those signs or symptoms that you can see or feel? And why wouldn't you be interested in the asymptomatic shedding part of this discussion? PCR swabbing would tell you if you are shedding or not - aren't you in the least bit curious about THAT?

You do bring up some very good points.

That's what discussions are for, right?

My questions is should I not post here anymore about my personal observations about Imulux? Let me know.

Why would you think that? Is it because I have good questions about your observations? Am I not permitted to post on my own forum?

You seem a little hostile toward me.

I think you need to develop a bit of a thicker skin... try not to take everything so personally.

Angela

[VT_Nick]

Angela,

I'm just posting my own observations. I may be asymptomatic but that is not my point. I'm offering my own unbiased observations about the use of Imulux. I'm not selling it, I don't endorse it, I don't personally know Dr. Stoneburner, I'm just giving my simple observations. You may be right on all of your input. However, I have not seen anyone come forward and report their observations in the use of Imulux. If it doesn't work, I'll say so. You do bring up some very good points. My questions is should I not post here anymore about my personal observations about Imulux? Let me know. You seem a little hostile toward me.

friscokid737

Friscokid,

I commend you for giving this product a try, really I do. And I hope you did not pay for it.

The problem I have with Immulux, is mainly in the mission statement, and the claims they have made. They claim false information about the HSV virus, they contradict their own statements, they are misleading, and in some cases just plain lying.

This is not a product you can trust. If you want a sarcastic and humor filled response you can read mine on the first page.

The attention Angela, others, and myself give to this is negative because I think we all share the same attitude towards Immulux like companies giving people a false hope and making money off it. We don't appreciate companies that condone this type of behavior.

Nick

[friscokid737]

If anyone would like my personal and unbiased oberservations about my use of Imulux, they can email me at friscokid757@yahoo.com. I'll be happy to give you any information you want. All I wanted to do was provide some personal observations of using Imulux. Nothing more. The questions Angela has brought to light are not for me but for Dr. Stoneburner to answer. I don't have the medical background to answer her important questions. Angela, maybe you could give Dr. Stoneburner a call and invite him on your web blog for a full discussion of the Imulux treatment and bring these question to bear on him. I can't certainly answer them. I think it would be a great forum to see if Dr. Stoneburner and Imulux is a scam. Do you think he will accept the invitation? Good Luck everyone.

Sincerely
Friscokid737

[VT_Nick]

If anyone would like my personal and unbiased oberservations about my use of Imulux, they can email me at friscokid757@yahoo.com. I'll be happy to give you any information you want. All I wanted to do was provide some personal observations of using Imulux. Nothing more. The questions Angela has brought to light are not for me but for Dr. Stoneburner to answer. I don't have the medical background to answer her important questions. Angela, maybe you could give Dr. Stoneburner a call and invite him on your web blog for a full discussion of the Imulux treatment and bring these question to bear on him. I can't certainly answer them. I think it would be a great forum to see if Dr. Stoneburner and Imulux is a scam. Do you think he will accept the invitation? Good Luck everyone.

Sincerely
Friscokid737

He has been here, and he regurgitated the same statements on his website. And he hasn't responded since.

Good luck.